New Year's Eve

Everyone is starting to get a cold in the household, even Caleb! His first one! :( What a way to ring in the New Year, right!? Grammy and Papa took Noah to L.A. during the day today, and they went to the Brea Tar Pitts, to a car museum, and out to lunch! Noah LOVES going with them to do fun things! I wish it could be us going to, but right now it is a little too hard with the 3 littlest ones, but all in good time!

In the evening, Mom, Dad, Nat, and Noah all came to our house to eat and play games. We played Loaded Questions, and Curses! We had a good time. We ate carne asada tacos! Yum! Micah actually woke up around 10pm, and so did Noah.

Caleb is ONE month old!

Both Levi and Micah got the rest of their eye teeth the week that Caleb was born. Also, they have both taken off with their vocabulary since he was born! It was just all at once, it has been amazing to hear them! Starting with the day he was born they couldn't stop saying "baby", and now they are saying sooo much! They say "hold you", which is so sweet and one of my favorite things for them to say...Noah used to say that ALL the time! They will also pretty much try and say anything you ask them to. Shoe, bye-bye, go, outside, drink, milk, even an attempt at love you! They are too cute with baby Caleb as well...they want to hold him all the time, and give him kisses constantly on his head. Noah jusy adores him as well, wants to hold him every chance he gets, and coos at him and tells him how cute he is! I love having 4 boys, and just woudn't have it any other way. Noah is quite the thinker and talker. He has an incredible memory, he is sensitve and very perceptive, and he isn't a fan of his twin brothers trying to wrestle him at the same time! Levi has been a toy and blanket theif lately, running off with Micah's blanket or toy and Noah's things as well. I think he likes the reactions he get (screaming!), and he also likes it when the other two chase him done to get back their posessions. Ah! Sibling rivalry! Since Daddy has been doing so much taking care of the biggest 3 kids( HA as if any of then are very big at all!) Micah has become quite the Daddy's boy, and will run to him when he gets hurt. It's pretty cute, even if it does make me a little sad...but just a little!
Caleb has definately come alive and awake by now! He still falls asleep a few times a day while nursing, but he also wakes p all the way a lot and looks around. He has just started following objects with his eyes, and will move his head back and forth too if you move something in front of him. He also will make little cooing sounds sometimes instead of just being able to cry. He also has cracked a little bit of a smile at me, althouh I can't sya really if I count it as his first real smile quite yet! As far as sleeping and eating go, he has been eating about every 2-3 hours during the day..usually closer to 2, and sometimes 2.5 to 3.5 hours at night, with the occasional 4 hour stretch just these last few days. So needless to say I am pretty wiped out! But he is so worth every second of missed sleep, and I am enjoying him tremendously. I am enjoying rocking him to sleep, and having him sweet little head nuzzled on my chest as he falls asleep after nursing! I have only let him cry a few times when he was crying in my arms anyway. I really haven't started trying to do babywise or anything, I am just trying to be more relaxed about things so I can fully enjoy him. He is definately not an easy baby or anything though. If he does not fall asleep nursing he has a pretty hard time falling asleep even while I hold and rock him, and he usually cries quite a bit even in my arms as I try to soothe him to sleep, which is pretty hard on me when I can't comfort him. Tonight I rocked him for about 15 minutes trying to get him to sleep and he was crying nearly the whole time...finally I nursed him to get him to calm down even though he had only nursed 1 hour prior. I took him to the Dr. this past week because I am almost certain he has reflux and he was prescribed medicine for it. I am not really sure if I see any difference of not yet. He spits up a ton, cries sometimes during and right after feedings, wakes up in a hard cry, and even though he is gaining weight great (already 12.5 pounds and almost 23 inches), I think it is bothering him. I have been trying to sleep him tilted upright, and he still ends of puking all over sometimes and wetting his clothes and blankets! Well, hopefully it gets better for him...I hate to think of him having heartburn when I know how awful it is!
On another note Caleb loves his baths, and if he is fussing it always calms him beautifully. He isn't a huge fan of diaper changes when I try and do them before feedings (since laying him down after a feeding to do it makes him puke) but if he isn't waiting for food he really doesn't mind them. He really isn't a huge fan of the swing, and prefers a seat instead, and he likes being in a sling sometimes and will sleep in it, yet other times he protests it in a LOUD way and just won't allow for it, so it can't be counted on to calm his crying. When he is awake he probably fusses about 60% of the time, and is calm awake the other 40%. So overall probably pretty typical fussing I'd say. He definately does not drift into a peaceful sleep on his own! If those babies exist, I don't think I will ever own one! haha...I've had 0-4 do that except in the first few days or maybe a week! Anyway, love my boys, and love being their mommy! Glad I got this update in writing before I forget! Oh yeah, apparently I was so tired a few nights ago I accidentally put left Caleb's dirty diapers on along with a clean one! It was pretty funny when I discoverd it in the morning...I have no recollection of how I did it! Guess I need some sleep!

Baby BOY Caleb is here!

Caleb Samuel Swavely was born at home on November 18, 2010 at 7:33 am. He was 8 lbs 10 oz, and 21 inches long! Our biggest baby yet! He is so very sweet, and he smells sooo good! :) So far he is a very mellow baby. The only time he has really cried is when he has had a little gas. He is an awesome nurser, and helped make my milk come in within less than 36 hours. He was born right on our bed, and spent his first night last night cuddled with his momma right in our bed. I am loving having a newborn again, and loving watching our 3 older boys coo and cuddle Caleb. The babies can't stop saying "baybee" or "beebee" and giving him lots of kisses and trying to poke every little part of his face. Noah loves holding Caleb and talks baby talk to him, and tells him how adorable he is. He keeps saying, "Now you're not in mommy's belly anymore." They are all 4 so precious. WE HAVE 4 BOYS! I can't believe it, and I am head over heels for them all! :) I am meant to be the mother of all boys I think! ;) Caleb did GREAT last night, going about 3.5 hours between feedings. He went right back to sleep @ his 12:30am feeding, and then woke @ 4am to eat, but then didn't go back to sleep until almost 6am, but wasn't crying just quietly and alertly looking around. They say hypnobabies are more mellow, and quiet alert, and he definitely is. He will just open his little eyes and look around without a peep, just taking everything in.

The birth was amazing! Here is the story of Caleb's birth:

On the 15th, 16th and 17th of November I felt a lot of really low pressure, and I felt like the baby was just so low down in my pelvis...just really uncomfortable sensations on my bladder and cervix. I was also having a lot of Braxton Hicks, but they just never materialized into anything productive. I was starting to feel a little impatient, although I was trying my best to be patient, but I talked to the midwife about natural "induction" methods. She suggested a foot massage, and possible acupuncture. I asked her about Castor oil, and she said only to use it if I talked to her first, and she was prepared to come to our house right away because sometimes it works very quick. It also gives you diarrhea, so I didn't want to use that method anyway! And since I wasn't too keen on having needles stuck into me, I told Nick he needed to give me that foot massage!

So, on the 17th at about 9:30pm Nick gave me a foot and leg massage, and pressed on all the pressure points that he knew of. It actually hurt more than it felt good! After the foot massage we then decided to use the tried and true natural method of natural induction...the one all the husbands love to try, if you know what I mean! And wouldn't you know...the pressure waves began RIGHT after our natural "induction"! I told Nick that I thought we may actually have started my birthing time! I was fully convinced when I went to the bathroom a little while later and noticed a little bit of blood on the toilet paper! I said, "Oh my! It's really happening!"

By this time it was about 10:30pm on Wed. the 17th, but Nick wasn't all that convinced that it was really happening. He really didn't want to go to work though, so he was hoping! Anyway, he went to bed, and I tried to go to sleep as well. The pressure waves were coming about every 7 minutes, and I got my iPod and headphones and started to listen to some of the hypnobabies tracks. By about 11:30 pm I knew their was no way I could sleep through the pressure waves. Every time I had one, it commanded my attention, and then just as I would start to drift to sleep another one would come.

At this point I went to call Coley, to let her know what was going on. I wanted her to be able to prepare with her baby and all. When I talked to her she said to go back to bed and try to sleep again, and to call her in another hour if I still couldn't sleep through the pressure waves, or if they got more intense. I then called my mom to let her know when was happening. Of course she then was unable to sleep anymore because she was too excited. I told her to wait a little while more before coming over since I was going to go back to bed again. Well, by 1:30am I had still never gotten back to sleep as the pressure waves were definately getting more intense, so I called Coley. I was 99.9% sure this was the real deal. She asked if I were going to go to a hospital if I would be heading there by now, and I said yes! I told her that by this time at the hospital I probably would have been ready for an epidural, had I not been using hypnobabies, so she said she would get ready and come!

Hypnobabies worked great, and I used it every time to get through each wave. I just turned my lightswitch off, and listened to the Easy First Stage birthing guide. I then called my mom and told her to come down, and that Coley was on her way. It was around 2am when I felt the urge to get into the shower, as I knew the hot water would make me feel even better, and make the waves even more manageable. So I got into the shower before my mom arrived, and it made me feel so good! I just sat on my birth ball in the shower and let the hot water stream right onto my belly.

It was then in the shower at about 2:15am when my water broke! How convenient to be in the shower, right!? It was a pretty big gush too, so it could have done some damage to carpet or bedding! Anyhow, I stayed in the shower until Coley got there at around 3:15am, and then I got out so she could check me. I knew it wasn't really necessary to be checked, but I just mentally wanted to know I was making progress, as the pressure waves were building in intensity. She found me to be about 4cm, and she stretched me to about 5cm. I didn't know you could do that, but she did! It didn't feel too pleasant, but again I just used hypnobabies. It really just gave me something to focus on, a goal, which was to go loose and limp, so that is what I did. At this point I had been able to be totally loose and limp through each and every pressure wave. They were now about 4 minutes apart.

After Coley checked me I stayed in bed for a while to give the hot water a chance to build back up. I was worried it was going ot run out. It made me feel so much better laboring in the shower than in bed, and I would have stayed in there the whole time if it wasn't for the water getting cold on me! The worst part was worrying about the water running out!

Once she arrived, Coley began checking Caleb's heart rate every 20-30 minutes with the Doppler.  If I was in the shower when she needed to check on baby, I would just open the door and stick my belly out!  It was so nice to be free of any cords or contraptions, and just do what felt best to me, while at the same time allowing my midwife to make sure everything was going well for the baby.

Between 4 and 5:45 am, I continued going back and forth between the bed and the shower, which gave me a good chance to change positions and allow gravity to help bring the baby down.  During the times I was in the bed, I craved the warmth of the shower on my belly.  The heat just really soothed me.  So, luckily my mom found our old hot water bottle and filled it up for me with super hot water!  I put it straight on my belly, and even though it burned, it felt good at the same time!

I started feeling nauseous around 5:20 am, and the pressure waves were getting noticeably stronger.  At the time I was kind of annoyed that while I was focused on getting through each pressure wave, I now had to deal with nausea as well!  Even though mentally I knew feeling sick is a sign that the end is near, I wasn't in the right frame of mind to remind myself of that fact! I also had been nearly silent during every contraction up to this point.  Now I made a little bit of noise!  No screaming though, just "ahhhh" and "oohhh" sounds.  You know what they say?!  A good birth includes some of the same noises you'd hear at a good conception! ;)

Anyway, the hot water finally ran out for good around 6 am.  I wasn't happy about that at all!  No more hot water meant nothing to fill the birth pool with...or so I thought!  Coley, Nick and my Mom has started boiling water and carrying it by the pot full to try and fill the pool in time!  Rockstars! 

By this time the pressure waves were coming every 3 minutes, and lasted for about 60 seconds.  So, for anyone who doesn't know about the timing of contractions, that means there is a 2 minute break in between each set, followed by a minute long pressure wave.  That isn't a very long break, and a pretty long contraction!  I no longer opened my eyes or talked at all between contractions.  I was too focused, and exerting so much energy that I didn't want to waste any.  I never made a conscious decision not to open my eyes or talk anymore, it just naturally happened once I got to a certain point.

After feeling nauseous for about an hour, I finally threw up at 6:20am.  It was instant relief of the nausea, and I never felt sick again.  The pressure waves were getting even stronger now, and I did get to a place for just a moment, where I thought I would rather not have a baby today after all!  Nick was right there next to me though, and he told me I was doing amazing, and that I could do it!  The reassurance was just what I needed, and I pulled it together. Using hypnobabies truly allowed me to maintain control of myself, and allow my body to relax and do its work of bringing my baby out of my body, and into my arms!  I also told Coley right around this time that I didn't know how much longer I could keep doing "this", and she said she didn't think it would be too much longer until the baby was born.  This was JUST what I needed to hear!

At 6:38 I asked to be checked again.  Since this was my first time birthing and actually feeling what was happening to my body, I was unsure of myself.  Being in a hospital with an epidural leaves you dependent on nurses and doctors to tell you what is happening to you, and I just didn't trust fully that the intesity of my feelings did indeed mean I was coming so close to meet my sweet baby!  Next time I will remember to trust myself!  Coley found me to be 8cm.  Of course!  I had just thrown up, and that is a classic sign that you are in transition, or transformation, as we call it in Hypnobabies!

Right after she checked me, Coley suggested I get up and sit on the toilet for a few contractions.  The gravity of being in a squatting type position would probably dilate me the rest of the way, she said.  I really, really didn't want to get up.  I felt more comfortable being in a postion where I could relax every muscle of my body during a pressure wave.  But I wanted my baby at this point!  I had been awake for over 24 hours, I was tired, and I was willing to do this if it meant meeting my baby sooner!

So as soon as a contraction ended, Nick walked with me to the toilet.  I sat down, and leaned against him, as another pressure wave descended upon me!  I will say that this was the most uncomfortable part of the whole birth.  I was NOT comfortable sitting in that position at all!  So, I managed to hold onto Nick's neck and ride out a few pressure waves sitting there, and then I was done doing that.

It was now 7am, I went back to the bed, and for some reason I just wanted to me on my hands and knees, so that's just what I did!  It was funny, because in the months leading up to the birth, I always felt a little embarrassed when I watched birth videos of women on all fours.  It looked like it was such a vulnerable position, and I guess it is.  But, as much as I didn't picture myself doing this before that day, before that very moment, when my body told me what to do, I listened!

I will also note that I never pictured myself birthing my baby while wearing MY birthday suit.  I will definitely wear a sports bra, and maybe even a long shirt of something to cover myself, I thought.  Haha.  I was totally naked.  When you're in that moment you just don't care.  My midwife actually told me that most women shed an article of clothing with every centimeter they dilate.  I was no exception!  It really makes sense when you think about it.  It is so important for a baby to have immediate access to his mother's body to breastfeed and stay warm on her skin.  Being able to have the immediate and unrestricted ability to do these things were two factors that played into my decision to have a homebirth in the first place, so I say bring on the nudity!  I wasn't able to breastfeed or even TOUCH any of the other boys for at least 20-40 minutes after they were born, and I was covered with a nursing bra and a hospital gown anyway!

Then suddenly, at 7:13am, I felt the urge to push!  At first I was unsure if what I was feeling was really the need to push.  Again, having never felt any of these sensations, it was all new to me!  I will never forget the way it felt to feel the very moment where my baby started descending down!  I could feel the baby moving down through my body.  After just a moment I knew my body was ready to push, and was really pushing without my permission.  I couldn't have done anything to stop it, even if I tried.  After feeling this urge to push, I cannot imagine a doctor telling a women not to push, or to wait to push.  I would have slapped anyone who tried to make me stop!  It is such an instinct, and unstoppable!

Nick had been so good at pushing on my shoulder and telling me to relax, which is a sign used in hypnobabies to remind me to stay loose, that as soon as he felt me tensing up to push, he pushed on my should and told me to relax!  I said, "I'm pushing!"  I think he was surprised and he called for Coley.  She then called for mew mom.  It happened so quick!

Up until this point I had been planning to try and give birth in the water.  Since the water had run out the boiling of water had partially filled the pool, but not enough for me to get in....but it was fine because I had NO desire whatsoever to try and move to a pool once I felt the urge to push!  There was no way!  I was actually right on the edge of the bed, and I didn't even more over!  I was focused, and didn't care where I gave birth anymore...I was just read to push that baby out!

So, I was fully pushing at about 7:20am.  It was so crazy because from the moment I felt the urge to push, the feeling of the pressure waves totally changed.  They were not as intense any more, and pushing was such a relief, and actually felt good.  I think it was the fact that I could finally work with my body, exert my energy and push!  I knew I was almost done, and I wasn't going to stop pushing till I had my baby out!  I didn't even really wait for anymore contractions, I just kept pushing regardless.

I remember asking Coley if I needed to slow down with the pushing.  She said I could do whatever my body felt like doing.  I wish I would have just trusted my body more, and not felt the need to ask if I was pushing OK!  No woman should have to ask permission how or where to push, and next time I will follow my own instincts more without asking questions!

I was feeling a burning and stretching sensation at this point, and I remember being a little worried that I would tear at the site of my previous two "necessary" episiotomies (thanks Dr. Rodrigues, you suck, even if you are pretty).  Coley was using olive oil and warm compresses on me the whole time though.  It's amazing the difference it makes when you have someone catching your baby who knows what a natural birth can and should be!  I shouldn't have been worrying, because I never tore AT ALL!  This was huge to me, and was another reason I wanted a midwife at home, not a scissor/surgery happy doctor in a hospital!

I remember not long after this point that I heard Coley say the head was almost out, and then suddenly, it was!  It was the BIGGEST feeling of relief when the pressure of a whole head was reduced to the pressure caused by a little neck!  It was almost done now!  I rested for just a few seconds, and then pushed again.  The shoulders came out, quickly followed by the rest of a slippery little body at 7:33 am!  AH!  I had my hands right down there as he slipped out, and Coley had her hands under his armpits, and lifted him straight into my arms, and onto my chest!  BLISS!  The whirl of emotions and thoughts at that moment are hard to describe!  Such a flood, so much joy! 

Right after birth Caleb wasn't crying and was breathing, but needed a little help perking up, so we were stimulating him by rubbing him a bit with a towel.  It was pretty dark in the room still, so the midwife couldn't see his color very well.  We hurried and switched on the light, and then she could see right away that he was already nice and pink!  He wasn't crying because he was just way too comfy, and peaceful after such an easy birth! 

About this moment Nick said "it" looked like a boy!  He couldn't actually see the important part, but he thought the face looked like a boy!  My hand however had felt something that seemed suspiciously boy-like as I helped to pull the baby up onto myself!  A quick check confirmed that our sweet baby was indeed a boy!  My reaction: I knew it!  I just knew we'd have another boy!

The boys all came in right away to see their new baby brother!  They were all so excited, although Noah was actually a minute or two behind the twins because apparently he wanted to finish the end of Backyardigans! Ha!

So then I just held and loved on Caleb for about 30 minutes while we waited for the placenta to come out, and Caleb's cord stayed attached that whole time.  Then, after the placenta was out, and the cord had obviously stopped pulsing, I cut the cord myself!  Nick never wants to because he is a bit squeamish!  I was still on the very edge of the bed too!  We tried breastfeeding during this time as well, but Caleb wasn't quite read to nurse.

So about an hour post-birth I hopped up off my own bed and took a shower.  After my shower Caleb was ready to nurse, and he nursed like a champ right off the bat! 

     Caleb's birth went just as I had hoped, prayed, and imagined, and I will definitely choose a homebirth again next time! :) I loved that the boys were able to bond with their new brother right away, and we got to stay cozy at home all together from the get go.  This day is priceless!

Baby teeth, and a baby (still in the oven!)

Levi got his top right eye tooth on October 21, and Micah got his top right eye tooth on October 23. Then Levi's top left eye tooth came in on October 27, followed by Micah's top left eye tooth coming in on October 29. They must be identical I tell ya! Now Levi's bottom right eye tooth just popped out today, and Micah's is just bursting to come through also, so probably any day now. They are too funny with their similarities! Yet they have their own little quirks and differences, and they are very easy for mommy to tell apart. Both babies will shake their heads emphatically up and down to tell you yes right now. It is adorable...and helpful! :)
Noah is still in his stage of wanting me to tell stories to him instead of reading, and he is developing quite the imagination! He will tell me exactly what kind of story he wants me to tell him, in great detail, and once he tells me, I tell him...but now you just told ME the story! But he will insist, No, tell it to me now, so I repeat what he has just told me to tell him. He is so funny! He also just mimicks and repeats ways that Nick and I talk, or expressions we use. He definately notices everything, and is always listening. Like talking about our budget to me. I certainly wasn't talking to him about our budget, but he was listening when Nick and I were discussing it, and he was paying attention! NOah is still getting up kind of often during the night, and saying he is scared, or wants to cuddle, or has to pee. I haven't dealt with it very consistently because I don't want to be harsh, and I am hoping it is a phase and will end on its own. This makes me a bit nervous with the baby coming soon, but we will see how it goes. Hopefully we don't have to try anything drastic to get him to sleep all night.
Speaking of the baby...my "due" date was 2 days ago, and I am still holding out strong. Baby just isn't ready to make his/her appearance yet, and the anticipation is killing me! (and all my friends on facebook aparently, haha) We want to know if you are a boy or a girl, little one! :) Anyway, I am getting pretty uncomfortable and feeling lots of low movements/pressure, but still nothing! We thought it was time on the evening of the 11th, but what I though was increasing intensity pressure waves, fizzeled out to nothing after about 3 hours of increasing steadily! ANd since then almosy nothing has been going on! So who knows. Just using these last days (weeks!?) to snuggle the other three, and ponder how our lives will all change again with the addition of a new little person to our family. I don't relish the adjustment period of post-partum emotions, but I am hoping this time with a natural delivery things will be different. Either way, I know those crazy emptions onyl last for a bit, and then things feel normal again, so I will remember that! Anyway, any day now, we will be a family of 6! :)

Rainy Day

It has been rainy for the past three days..which doesn't completely stop the boys from playing outside. They all 3 love it even when they are getting soaked! Noah was at my mom's today for half the day hanging out with her, but I let the babies outside after dinner because they had been cooped up inside all day, and the had a blast! They are so cute running around together, falling down and laughing in the grass, and kicking and throwing balls around. Hard to imagine they couldn't even walk just 5 months ago! Time goes so fast, and babies grow so darn fast! Anyway, Nick was home from work today, he wasn't feeling too great, and all three boys have gotten colds also. I don't have one yet...keeping my fingers crossed!
I just finished folding and putting away some teeny, tiny neutral colored baby clothes. That kind of laundry didn't even feel like work! I enjoyed myself while doing it! :) Only 3 weeks till my "due date"...so I am trying to be prepared early...but allowing for the possibility of going over too! Don't want to set myself up for dissapointment. I am trying to relish the last little bit of being pregnant, and the last little bit of the babies being the babies, ya know. I hate for them to seem grown up overnight, which I realize they will probably seem to have once this baby is born. I just hate that period right after a baby (or two!) is born where everything feel so upside down and things feel like they won't ever seem "normal" again! I am hoping maybe I won't feel like that this time...I know it is hormones and maybe it will just be different this time!
We had our hypnobabies class last night, and I need to go practice it now. I know it will work if I practice and stick to it, so I have to practice while I have time left to do it! Night!

Pumpkin Patch

We went to the Cal Poly Pumpkin Festival today. It was raining at our house and I was almost not sure if we should go, but I am so glad we did! It didn't rain there until right as we got back to the car, so it was perfect! The kids loved running through all the pumpkins, and I got some really cute pictures of them all. It was also Amanda's 22nd bday celebration tonight, so we went to my parents and the whole family was there. The kids had fun playing with James and Lincoln. James is so cute with his little fangs! hehe. Anyway, this past week Micah learned how to open the round knob on our bedroom door! No! And both babies learned to climb up the slide into the playhouse, so I gave in and just put the stair back on so they can go up that way. All three of them kept going around and around, up the stairs and back down the slide. They love that they can get up there! Now hopefully no one falls out and breaks something...knock on wood!
The baby is really getting cramped in my belly, and squirming around. Am feeling lots of pressure and having to go to the potty soo often. Am curious how long I will stay pregnant...still have 3 weeks and 5 days to go till the "due" date, which is really just a guess. Am hoping it's not much longer than that! Can't believe we are adding another sweet baby to our family. Can't wait to find out if it's a bot or a girl! Enjoying being prgnant though still...just love feeling a baby move in my belly! The greatest thing about being pregnant! Can't wait to meet you little one. I have an apt. with the midwife this thursday...I'll be 37 weeks on Friday! The I will have made it to full term. I am so blessed to have no complications so far, and am blessed to have always avoided prematurity, and any NICU stays, even with the twins! Thank you Jesus for my healthy children.

18 months and 3.5 years!

Micah and Levi are 18 months old today! How can this be?! Noah-b-boa is 3 and a half too! I cannot believe it has been 6 months since their birthday, and will only be 6 more months until they are 2 and 4. It rained and thundered and lightninged(sp?) tonight, all while being over 80 degrees! It was some weird weather. There was also a double rainbow at around 6:30-7pm. Nick had to work lat enad just got home @ 10:30.